Should Roger Get His Own Workprinter Forum?

[Scott Spears]

I vote no, but it's really up to Roger. I guess if he wanted he could add one to his site.

I don't think the workprinter is the problem, but then again I haven't followed all the threads involving you and Roger about the workprinter. I think the problem is a personality difference between you and Roger. I saw the debate about what tools you'd need to get proper pictures using a workprinter and I see that as personal preference. You say waveform & vector and says no, just a properly calibrated monitor. I really don't want to bring that back up. I see the biggest recent thing is the Matt Pacini/Ebay deal. I still don't think that's been resolved.

I know you and Roger have had your disagreements, but I don't see where him having a workprinter forum is going to fix the problems. Again, this is just my opinion.

Scott

[Alex]

The initial disagreement on Brantley's forum two years ago was accerlerated once the Workprinter was brought into the discussion. From that point on, Roger has never forgotten it and has used it as personal anger/motivation on future discussions that involve me.

On the Shooting 8mm forum, the workprinter issue wormed it's way into a discussion about super-wide super-8. Mattias began insulting me, and when I defended myself, Roger joined in. Roger uses these past arguments as an excuse to call me many unsavory names and links any future discussions to these past events. I don't think it should be that way, but it is.

The Matt Pacini eBay issue is dead. I've explaine all the related circumstances. If Matt would like to share what the bidder said to him, he can post that. I've been unfairly censored/banned from other forums, those forums have lied, slandered me, and talked about me knowing that I cannot respond. Those issues are of a higer priority than the Pacini ebay issue. Just because a few people are in denial about that doesn't make that issue any less of an issue, and it certainly is a much bigger issue than Matt Pacini.

If I hadn't been unfairly and permanently banned,
I would have had an opportunity to communicate with Matt by posting to his topic post. Both sides pay a price when censorship occurs, this is something that a few people refuse to acknowledge.

Don't forget to vote Scott.

[Lazarus Pacini]

Alex, you can claim the issue of you interfering with my ebay auction is dead, but it's not dead as far as I'm concerned.

Your beef with Roger has nothing to do with me.
You drug me over here by your own actions.
I've left you completely alone since you were banned from Brantleys board.
I never came over here, and basically pretended you didn't exist, until you took it upon yourself to "get revenge" and get my high bidder to pull out of my ebay auction.

I may, or may not post the email from the high bidder here or somewhere else, it really doesn't matter.
There's no proof required.
You've admitted to doing it, everyone knows you did it, and it's wrong to do it, no matter what bizarre excuses you bring up for doing it.

You just cannot help yourself from attacking everyone who doesn't acknowledge you as the supreme authority on all things film, and even IF you knew what you were talking about, nobody on earth would put up with that sort of attitude.

Don't you get that?
The amount of time you spend justifying your actions towards others is just mind-boggling.

You have the unique ability to turn intellegent, civilized people into an angry mob.
That should tell you something Alex.

Try taking a good, hard look in the mirror some time, because YOU are the problem.

Matt Pacini

[Alex]

I believe that there is a big white elephant in the room and it's time to talk about it. Roger needs to have his own forum specifically devoted to the workprinter.

When I think of my experiences on Brantley's forum, the Shooting 8mm forum, and this forum, there always seems to be a causal relationship between the workprinter and inevitable disagreements that seem to have been fostered from previous situations related to the workprinter.

The most intense "discussions" on both Brantley's forum and Shooting 8mm centered around the workprinter.

It seems that once a disagreement occurs, it cannot be forgotten because the workprinter white elephant remains in the room. In reality, no one is against the workprinter. However, in the broad scope of talking about Super-8, it makes it difficult to bring up a topic that in some tiny way relates to the workprinter or to an opposing viewpoint.

It would be silly if someone raves about a Rank Cintel Transfer facility if that person has had a previous disagreement with Roger. It suddenly calls into question if the person is trying to stir up trouble. Over time, this can become the focus of many of the posts, how does it relate to Roger's Workprinter and what is the "intention" of the person bringing it up.

There are very few cottage industries where a supplier can remanufacture an existing product and make it into something someone else can use. To then make that new product one by one is even more unique. To be able to then make that product and sell it an affordable price is still another layer of an achievement.

I acknowledge both the uniqueness of such an achievement but I also experienced first hand how disagreements and arguments about workprinters weigh on any future discussions other Super-8 topics that have nothing to do with the workprinter. The workprinter has become the singular most polarizing issue on the Super-8 forums, and instead of this being a good thing, it usually results in brewing animosity.

And that is the white elephant in the room. It seems to me that until Roger gets his own "safe haven" forum for the workprinter, it will always be on everyones mind that Roger is the workprinter inventor and you shouldn't disagree with him or argue with him, and if you do, inevitable conclusions will be drawn that you are also insulting his product line and so on.

So please give an opinion to the poll question, should Roger have his own Workprinter forum?

[SHATOUSHKA]

Originally posted by Alex:
From that point on, Roger has never forgotten it and has used it as personal anger/motivation on future discussions that involve me.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">you've done this to me many times, alex. you have
turned past discussions against me and my intellect
as if you still harbour some disdain for that
incident many months ago. you have consistantly
attempted to discredit me upon numerous occassions,
in public AND in private. to what end? i have
no clue.

why is it ok that you can do this to me....
but others can't do it to you????

Originally posted by Alex:
Mattias began insulting me, and when I defended myself, Roger joined in. Roger uses these past arguments as an excuse to call me many unsavory names and links any future discussions to these past events. I don't think it should be that way, but it is.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">again... you do this to me. you have no business
questioning the motives of others while doing
it yourself.

Originally posted by Alex:
The Matt Pacini eBay issue is dead. I've explaine all the related circumstances.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">all but the main point of inquiry

Originally posted by Alex:
I've been unfairly censored/banned from other forums, those forums have lied, slandered me, and talked about me knowing that I cannot respond. Those issues are of a higer priority than the Pacini ebay issue. Just because a few people are in denial about that doesn't make that issue any less of an issue, and it certainly is a much bigger issue than Matt Pacini.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">i'm sure you weren't referring to my board when
you made this sweeping generalization... as that
would be a no no. regardless, similarly to your
newfound consequences clause, if you behave in
a way that is in appropriate, you will be banned.
meh...

Originally posted by Alex:
Both sides pay a price when censorship occurs, this is something that a few people refuse to acknowledge.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">i acknowledge that you mean every other board,
save your own.

[Scott Spears]

Alex,

My vote is no to a workprinter board for the reasons I stated in the 1st paragraph if my first post in this thread.

Scott

[Alex]

Shatzy, Shatzy, Shatzy. I didn't realize you still liked me so much. [img]graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[Alex]

Matt, your last post just wreaks of "they're just asking for it, man, it's their fault we can't control our behavior".

We need to stick to the issue at hand.

[Alex]

Is that your justification for spamming this forum with a dozen juvenile topic posts two days ago?

[Alex]

Originally posted by Scott Spears:
I vote no, but it's really up to Roger. I guess if he wanted he could add one to his site.

Scott

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">No, No, No. That's exactly what not to do. Brantley was ahead of his time when he found Hostboard to host his forum back in 1999.

He already had a website up, and people who came to his website were referred to his hostboard forum. Once on the forum, the newbies questions were answered by a few of us. This encouraged the newbies to come back and the forum grew, and then the rest is "theirstory".

Forum maintenace is the last thing anyone would want to have to do, that's what Shatzy is for!
(I mean that as a complement, Shatzmeister).

Scott, I guess I'm going to have to remove your no vote, or perhaps change it to a yes since you misunderstood.

Hey, where's my moderator instruction manual that allows me to change anything and everything on this forum as I see fit.

HEYYYYYY, SHATZEEEEEEE, help me out here.
(for the uneducated, that was a joke, for the overeducated, your paranoia should be settling in about now). [img]tongue.gif[/img]